machine gets hot

bupketat · Kult Member Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 38

The machine I use to shade and color gets very hot when used for a while. I'm pretty sure it has eight wrap coils. Would ten wrap coils make a difference? Or could it be something totally differen't like the capacitor or something else. The machine works okay it just gets hot as hell. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

bedless · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject:

mine do the same thing. A few people told me it was because the machine wasnt tuned accurately causing it to over exert itself and heat up. I re-tuned it and had other artists re-tune it. It stopped heating up but it ran all shitty. so i changed it back to the way i like it. now i just burn the fuck out of myself. Shit, that wasnt much help at all. Anybody else got any ideas?
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gross · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject:

i'm definitely not an expert but i've had that problem, i fixed it by retuning my machines to run on lower power. if you have to try using thinner springs or a lighter abar so you can get the same hit with less power. if you can get a copy of machine gun magazine they have some nice articles about machines that may help you out. what type of machines are you using and at what voltage?

jinx13 · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject:

machine tuning is like weird science or black magic. Everything from air gap to spring tension, to capacitor to coil wrap, to shims etc... affect how a machine runs. First, check the machine visually and make sure the a-bar is hitting the front coil flush and not touching the rear coil when resting on the front coil. Shim accordingly if necessary. Also, make sure the a-bar is completely over the rear coil and not just partially covering it. Make sure both coils are functioning together and that there is not something shielding them from each other such as paint or powder coat, or non-ferrous washers. The coils work as a horseshoe magnet not two individual magnets. If all of this is in check, run the machine for a few minutes and see if the capacitor gets hot before the rest of the machine. Check your connections and make sure the solder joints are good etc... If after all of this your machine still gets hot and everything is as it's supposed to be, tune it until it runs without getting hot then learn to tattoo with it that way. The heat is a sign if inefficiency. The energy has to go somewhere and a machine that is not efficient will lose energy as heat to the ground, in this case the frame. This is just a quick over-view of the basics. Playing with a machine and learning to tune it to your style of tattooing is something we all should learn. It just takes time and patience and a few friends to try them out on before paying customers.
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bupketat · Kult Member Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 38

Thanks for the responses guys. It is a Spaulding and Rogers machine. I know many people think they're crap because they sell kits to anyone; but comparing them to several other companies, they are clean machines. I bought a pulse machine and still aren't totally happy with them. The Spaulding has been a solid for me for years. Eventually I'll order Mickey Sharps liner and shader. Thanks again, I appreciate the responses.

jinx13 · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:

It's not that they sell to anybody...it really is crap. The coils on your machine are probably part of the problem. If you have been used to tattooing with that machine then there will be a bit of adjustment getting used to working with a quality machine. The frames aren't bad, I still have a Supreme that I have rebuilt several times that works like a champ. The only thing left though is the frame. Word on the street is that th MS machines aren't what they used to be. I have one that works great but I've had it for a while. I have yet to try a newer one. Get a new set of coils from Lucky's or Pulse and yu should see an improvement if everything else is in order.
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gross · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:13 am Post subject:

if your in the market for new machines check out waller irons i think kingpin sells them now. everyone's taste is different but for me they are the nicest machines i've used so far.

bupketat · Kult Member Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 38

I was looking at kingpin and saw ten wrap coils wired up with the capacitor. I'm going to buy it and replace em out on my supreme. I guess while I'm at it I'll buy a new armature bar and springs as well. Thanks again for the input and advice. If there is anything else you guys could think of let me know. I saw some machines on Kingpins site made by Andy Johnson. They looked really well made; but I couldn't tell anything else from the pics. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

jinx13 · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:08 am Post subject:

try 8 wraps. You will be able to run them a little lower voltage wise and get the same pull if you set it all up correctly. Less weight and less potential for heat build up.
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